Ipce Meeting 2008
1. First round
In Germany, we have the AHS, Arbeitsgemeinschaft Humane Seksualität (Humane Sexuality Workgroup). Regrettably, there were an ex-prisoner and a journalist who told lies about the AHS. What followed was more or less a kind of political pressure, that resulted in the temporary closure of AHS's financial transactions and in the publication of the chairman's address. The chairman's telephone has been tapped, but without any consequences other than a constructive talk with police who are now convinced of the legality of the AHS. This is an indication of the social-political climate in Germany. It is difficult here but but not as bad as in the US and the UK. Laws and pratice make it possible to work on specific topics.
The AHS has some self-help groups that work now under their own names, which makes them more difficult to find, but they still are working quite well.
There is a great forum, Jungsforum, which makes it possible to express and share feelings and opinions, be it anonymous and virtually, but for many people it is the only way to escape feelings of isolation and extradition from society. Actually, however, people suspected of pedophile feelings are extradited from society. Openness is not possible.
Peter Schmidt has published two books dealing with BL / GL. He was co-founder of the Danish Pedophile Group in 1984 within the Danish National Gay Organization LBL. One year later this group became the DPA born in 1985 independent of
Much of my knowledge of witch hunting stems from Sweden's most famous writer of non-fiction and fiction, Jan Guilliou, author of “Defenders of Witches”. In this book Guilliou states:
Among Jan Guilliou´s personal friends is the King of Sweden. Guilliou himself is so important a public figure that journalists at Denmark's National TV station have declared Guilliou so influential that he himself has become an institution that no serious reviewer of books can ignore.
From the UK
Also in the UK, such groups no longer exist, only small informal groups. Public action is not possible, only action to help each other at the individual and small group level.
After the infiltration by a UK police officer during our meeting in Hamburg, 2004, the same officer has continued his activities in informal contacts in the UK until the start of 2006. Then, six people were raided, among whom were three Ipce members. Just one of these three was arrested. The accusations were possessing and distributing child pornography. In one case, this was a pitiful set up by police, in a second case, it concerned images taken from the public tv. They are free again now, be it under restriction. In one of these cases, police informed the neighbourhood, so the person had to move home. In the UK, such information is not public, but may be selectively given. In the US, police have to inform the neighbourhood. (In the Netherlands, this is illegal, but it happens occasionally.)
There has been a lot of publicity about a children's home in the island of Jersey basing itself on police reports, making statements without any proof. The problem is the great exaggeration. They found bones and teeth ... of animals, shackles ... for animals, and a 'skull' that appeared to be a coconut. The news items appear on the front page, the corrections later on buried on page 19 in a corner of the newspaper. There are more such cases.
The laws change here every one or two years. Punishable now, for
example, are some acts in foreign countries, that are legal in that country,
but not in the UK. Here in the UK, we do not see any influence from the
liberalization of laws in Europe, but much influence from the USA. And we see
influence from the UK on laws in Europe.
In the UK, police have actively searched for victims or 'victims' of child sexual abuse, for example by writing a letter to all former inhabitants of children's homes, offering them financial compensation for an allegation. Victims came forward, but supposedly far more 'victims' who wanted the compensation. This practice has now been stopped.
Three guests from the UK
They, quite young people, have been invited. They entered the meeting
as a guests, they have left the meeting as new members.
Many media use censorship, mostly after a complaint from a citizen, sometimes because the rules of governments who limit free speech. In the UK, most people accept those limitations, and most providers use censorship for commercial motives. They cave in. In the USA, there is more resistance, for example by Amazon. Amazon also operates in the UK, where it also sells controversial texts.
Thus, some of us have established our own website < http://newgon.com/ > to spread factually correct information, and a private forum to discuss matters and to create correct information through doing research and by using a Wiki-like model of working.
"I disagree with their goal of complete abolition of the AoC; I think something similar to the old Dutch law would be more appropriate. In my opinion, the law needs to find a balance between preventing sexually mature people engaging in sexual activity with people who haven't yet reached the necessary level of sexual maturity, while ensuring that people who have reached a necessary level of sexual maturity don't suffer from negative socio-legal reactions as a result of their activities. I personally do not support sex between an adult and a pre-pubescent child - for a variety of psycho/socio/legal reasons - though I am happy to hear alternative arguments."
Some of us run the website www.attractedtochildren.org (formerly anu.nfshost.com - now not reachable) along with others. The website will soon be redesigned to host a number of academic texts in a more appropriate format and will also operate a blogging/social network for boylovers and girllovers.
We want to fight against criminalization of love affairs. We intend to spread legal information. Our forum can be a basis for real contact for people who now feel lonely in front of their screen. Our wish is to work on an academic level. To do this, a kind of organization is needed, thus organizers - and time.
From the USA
Spreading Information is OK, but it is not the best way to influence people. Narratives are a better means of reaching people's hearts and minds. People know only the bad stories. Thus, I am working on a film with a good story. That is my way to fight against false ideologies. The script is ready. Now I have to find a financier and producer, who has to find the players, including a junior player.
From the Netherlands
OK, perhaps images may also reach people's hearts and minds. Thus, the magazine Koinos is working on a photo book.
In the 80's, we had influence using our groups, for example to change the law for youth between twelve and sixteen years of age. The law changed: in that age group prosecution became only possible if there is a formal complaint. Regrettably, that law has been abolished now because of problems that young female prostitutes had, but more by influence of feminists and foreign states as the UK and the US - and a conference in Stockholm.
Here in the Netherlands, we have a small political party, PNVD, with a broad program, including more freedom for speech, images and real love affairs, also for youth. However, the social-political climate here is strongly against this party and its program.
Here, we have a very prosperous state, but remarkably lots of people are always grumbling and complaining, not always politely. This section of our society admires populist politicians such as Geert Wilders, well known for his anti-Islam film fitna. Such politicians are on the right wing as well on the left wing. It is not the best climate for subtle shades of opinion.
Concerning positive and free intergenerational relationships, we
still have some good working groups here. They will present themselves
during the session on Sunday afternoon. And we have two women, named
Ireen and Yvonne, fighting against the same groups, albeit without too